E-CONF From The ASNMU Election Drawer.....===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/19 13:30 by ASNMU
Hey, it's that time of year again. Petitions for candidates will be available Monday, February 23. Elections will be held Tuesday and Wednesday, March 31 and April 1. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/19 14:58 by DAVIMART
thalljr isnt running by any chance is he ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/19 17:13 by THALLJR
Maybe I will, Maybe I wont. You can rest assured that what I do will have no bassis on anything you say or do mr dale. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/20 14:18 by SSIMULA
ell terry we all know what a big mistake that would be. i think he should run for office just for a good laugh. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/20 17:07 by DAVIMART
uh terry its martindale one name get it right just so when you whine about me to ryan the two of you are on the same page ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/22 08:51 by RKAMMERE
Okay, I am looking for people who would be willing to work the polling locations on the election days. There is a little bit of training that must be done, so I am trying to get names now, rather than a day before. The only qualifications I have are that you not be running for an office yourself. Get ahold of me if you are interested. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/22 14:15 by DAVIMART
id do it rae bit id screen voters to see if they were going to vote for the furher terry ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/22 14:27 by HCOURTER
Is it just me.....or does anyone else, not understand that remark? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/22 15:14 by RKAMMERE
Impartiality, or at least the appearance of it. That's the other qualification I forgot. :-) Actually, I understood Dave that time. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/22 15:46 by SMARTIND
:) thanks rae your the ginchiest ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/23 14:33 by SSIMULA
what remark? *GRIN* ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/23 16:11 by DAVIMART
oops sorry ray I was checkin ght parental units mail for her when i made the your the ginchiest post sorry ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/24 14:06 by THALLJR
Rae could you post to the conference the names of people and the positon they have picked up an application for at the end of each day. That students can be aware of the choices they will have. terry ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/24 15:31 by SSIMULA
well i am running for off campus representative effective monday february 23rd. anyone interested in helping me on my campaign if it is needed call me at 225-0399 thanks. steve simula ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/24 18:07 by RKAMMERE
As petitions come in, I will post the names of official candidates, as well as inform them of this conference so that they have a chance to respond to interested voters. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/24 21:59 by DAVIMART
oh my freakin god I am agreeing with mr hall. quick everyone to the ark before the rain starts ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/27 11:27 by RKAMMERE
And Simula is now our first official candidate. Ask him questions. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/02/27 17:32 by FKRIEGER
Way to go Steve. So whats your platform? Can you give the E-Conf. readers something a little more then Nick's broad catogories? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/03 16:25 by NVIVIAN
Let me expand upon a few of my ideas and allow you to see my vision of Student Government here at Northern in the Future: Reform:The system which we currently have in place is a good framework to start with. However, it needs to be streamlined such that the ASNMU Governing Board is connected to House and Hall Governments. Representatives should attend some meetings. A general assembly of house and hall government members, as well as all ASNMU Committee and Board members should be called at least once a semester. Communication: Students need to know what ASNMU is and what it's functions are. Letters and posters should be sent to all house and hall government members to take back to their respective houses or groups. Active publicity and recruiting should take place all year so that seats don't go unfilled. Finally, issues should be debated at town meetings or forums held at various sites on campus. Let's get people involved in Student Government. Active Representation: Representatives have been working for students for a long time, but have they been speaking to the needs of the student s, or have they been working to accomplish thier own agenda? Student Government should take a stand on each important issue here at Northern. So often issues pass right by the students. Forums, Surveys, Campus Mailings, as well as running questionaires in dorm lobbies would help out emensely in this respect. If student government works to represent the views of the students here at Northern, students will respect and become involved in student government. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/03 19:27 by FKRIEGER
That does all sound very nice, but how will this be achived? I could (and in the past I may have...), promised beer vending machines. But can I deliever? Fellow Party members, I think not. HARD FACTS! Thats what will get you noticed. (Name recognition will however get you a seat...). But on a serious note Nick, I do like what you suggest but really intrested on how you will do it. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/04 10:26 by NVIVIAN
I believe that all of these goals and be met by doing about two things. First, an agenda must be set. If we have a plan to guide the Governing Board, we will have a clear focus on what we need to achieve. We can map out our dates for forums and townmeetings, appoint a publicity chair who will specially target events for P.R., and build a good repport withthe leaders of this campus. Second, if the representatives on this board want to represent the students of this university in a fair and accurate manner, they must put the time in. Meetings are not hard to run. Forums are not that hard to organize. Handing out surveys and questionaires in the dorms? Yes, it all takes time, but together, doing the job that the students elected us to, we must take the time to do it. Frank, people make promises every year that are not fulfilled. But these aren't promises; They are goals. I'm not looking to overhaul parking or food services, I'd like to work to make student government more "student friendly," and more representative of the student body here at NMU. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/04 13:34 by KMARCOTT >:: I happen to think Nick's goals are achievable. Most of the structures needed to implement such goals are already in place. It's simply a matter of networking between student organizations and Residence Hall Governments. Increased communication and shared governance are all that are needed. There are committees of students being assembled as a result of the Student Leadership Forum (can't recall if that's the exact name) that was held several weeks ago. Some of these problems will be addressed by the students who comprise these committees. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/04 15:48 by SSIMULA
a couple points: 1. i think if we are to begin truly reforming government as nick and i hope we need to first stop being partisan if government members can simply look at student problems not at their party's preferential point of view but at what is best for the student that would be great. frank to address your question i am hoping to look at achieving some sort of answer to the question: Why id public safety so aggressive in issuing parking tickets to commuter students without giving them a fair opportunity to understand parking ordinances and such on campus? I am concerned about the fact that i have seen at various times what seem to be coordinated efforts by public safety to issue out tickets on certain days (quotas?) and to be honest it ticked me off. e.g. giving out of state visitors parking tickets How are they suppposed to know the rules? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/04 15:52 by FKRIEGER
I also can think that the Libertarian Party will one day take over Congress but not without a ton of work. Although a President can propose all they want, the Rep's make the motions. Since there is no way for a President or Vice-President to choose whom will fill the Rep. offices it is possible that the Board my be ineffective again. I am not implying that this will happen, again, but would not it be really "Groovy" is the prospective President and Vice-Presidents all sit down with the prospective Reps and discuss what they want from the Board? It is a sad fact that the Reps do not get paid. There is no incentive beyond a want to serve your fellow Students or to serve your own intrests. Alais the legacy of past Boards mistakes. We switched from paycheck Reps to paycheck Execs. At least under the old system you could be docked. Let us hope the want to serve the Students will prevail... ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/04 19:16 by SSIMULA
yes but being a rep is a good experience for yourself if you wish to work in politics in the future and it looks good on a resume but if i work as a rep i wont be worried about that trust me. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/05 09:20 by RKAMMERE
Let me just take a moment here to mention that most of the petitions that have been picked up were for president or vice-president. No one seems to want to be a rep, which is sad, since reps are the ones who really do the work and hold the power. If I were one of the bunch of people running for president, I think I would be encouraging people I know to run for rep positions, so that I would know I would have a full board and would be able to get something done next year. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/05 13:36 by SSCHAEDI
Being a rep. is the place to be, which is one of the reasons that I did not run for president or vice last year even though many people had asked me to. I feel that I can accomplish much more for the students as a rep. Most legislation begins with the reps., we are the ones who do the work. I'm not saying that the president does not do anything important, but rather that the work that the reps. do effects the students in a more direct way. Usually the president is so busy with meetings and whatnot representing the student body that there is little time for anything else while the reps use their time to accomplish things for the student body which the president reports on to various people. As for not being paid. That is not why I got into ASNMU. I'm in ASNMU because I want to do something other than sit on my butt and complain about things. I have stayed in ASNMU because I feel that I have helped the student body. I have always believed that if you want something then go work and get it instead of waiting for someone to hand it to you because most likely that is not going to happen. This is why I have been a rep for two years and if I could I would be one next year. I have given brief thought to quitting this past year because the working conditions were not that great, but it was a fleeting thought because how can something get better if everyone leaves it. Quitting was not the answer and neither is saying that ASNMU is unaffective and so I will not become involved in such an organization because the ONLY way to change things is to be involved. So please don't ask me why ASNMU does not have a full board, but look to yourselves and don't say it's because the reps are not paid because why should anyone be paid to help themselves? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/05 14:02 by NVIVIAN
Frank, I think that you have an excellent idea in your suggestion that the President and Vice-President actually sit down and communicate. It would do wonders for rapport and morale. It would also help in understanding the agenda and goals which the President or Vice-President would like to see accomplished. And if nothing else, maybe it would encourage the Representatives to work together as a team, rather then as seperate individuals. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/05 14:12 by CMANN
Nick, the constitution provides for a "State of Union" type address by the President at the beginning of each semester. However, that power was not utilized in the recent past. I think that many of the issues being discussed are good, but we must realize that most of these ideas are already in place to be accomplished. The lack is just in the Membership of the Board. 6 cannot do the work of 16, but we must try. I think that all of the Board will agree that our first priority is to gather enough people to have a full board next year. Chris Mann, ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/05 23:42 by FKRIEGER
Does nobody go home for break? With Rae, Chris, and Sara around I would almost expect the office to be open. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/06 09:11 by RKAMMERE
Well, I've been here at the library mostly, but I believe Chris has had the office open this week. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/06 10:51 by ACSL000
Doesn't Chris have a day job? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/06 10:53 by NVIVIAN
The board has been left only partially full all year. Other then the ads in the Northwind, what publicity and recruitment strategies have been utilized to fill the board this year? Or were there other priorities? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/06 11:53 by FKRIEGER
It was me. I had a super secret agenda going on. I forced the Board to stray from the path and pursue objectives that were of no value. I did this with the help of sublimal messages, tainted Coke products, and good old fashion Blackmail. Do you all remember that super secret housing committee that Ryan sat on? Why do you think it was so secret? Because it is in reality the committee IS the puppet master. It is a twisted and evil dopplaganger of the ASNMU Governing Board. It's charter was to undo everything good the Board did. By mixing Masionic, Greek, Democratic, Repubican, and Food Service out came this monster. And I was the planted agent that did their dirty work. They are the Majestic Twelve. But back to reality,(the e-conf?), I see almost everyone that comments here, with the possible exception of Steve, and I am willing to discuss any idea. I have yet to submit my papers, but what harm cam talking to me do? I am not a closed minded person. Nor one that normally prejudges, so instead of trying to sway the twenty or so people that review the e-conf, open it up! Rae, when is Election Committee's debate set for? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/06 12:39 by RKAMMERE
Tentatively, the Wednesday before the elections, March 25. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/10 19:10 by RKAMMERE
The election committee will be meeting in the ASNMU office tomorrow evening at 6:00 p.m. If you are interested in helping out with this process(and, of course, aren't running for office yourself), please feel free to join us then. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/11 09:56 by SSIMULA
well frank if you state that you are truly an "open-minded" person than you would do what i do look at all opinions towards me good or bad then judge them equally. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/11 16:47 by SSCHAEDI
A question that was asked earlier, but was not answered was "What has ASNMU done to fill it's board?" While I am not aware of there having been any advertisements made in the North Wind there was a considerable effort put into the Student Leader Forum that was held shortly before Spring Break. After that forum many RA's came into the office to ask for materials to post in their houses about ASNMU and how to get involved. Other things have been done, like posting the openings outside the office, but the forum was the biggest and most affective effort. I have only referred to what has been done this semester though ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/11 22:07 by NVIVIAN
Why hasn't more been done? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/12 12:42 by SSCHAEDI
As you know, a student government represents the students interests and if the students are not interested then it does not matter what the government does because there is no interest. There is a very old saying that is very true: You can lead the horse to the water (you can even bring the water to the horse), but you CAN'T make it drink. As a member of the Academic Affairs committee you should be asking that question of yourself too because you are a part of the board even if you don't sit in a board position. We all need to work together, not tear each other apart. Instead of questioning ASNMU suggest things and help in every way possible so something can be accomplished instead of demolished. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/12 13:11 by NVIVIAN
My sincerest appologies to you Sara. I didn't mean to bash anybody. I guess I am just frustrated with the current situation. The four current Representatives are doing what they can to keep ASNMU running as efficiently as possible. I think that is admirable. However, to effectively represent the large student body here on campus, we need more people involved, and this is where I get frustrated. Perhaps ASNMU should hire its own recruiter like the Armed Services does. Perhaps postings should be done. Or perhaps this situation is so frustrating because we are caught in a "Catch 22." Students won't become involved until they are recruited, yet we really don't have the resources to recruit unless they become involved. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/12 15:20 by SSIMULA
i guess the question i would pose to sara is: how soon after the elections will the board be meeting? until then i wish you all the best. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/12 21:19 by SSCHAEDI
ASNMU meets every Sunday at 7pm, however, due to the elections and Easter the rules may be suspended and the meeting may be held on Monday, April 13th at which time the newly elected officers may be sworn in. This has yet to be called by the President and is subject to change until further notice. It behooves all of the people running to come to the remaining governing board meetings so they can see what they are getting into, and come and visit the office. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/13 12:47 by RKAMMERE
I am not aware of a plan to cancel any regular meetings due to Easter. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/13 13:07 by CMANN
I wasn't aware of any plans to cancel a meeting due to a religious holiday either... Was I expected to? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/13 22:13 by SSCHAEDI
I stand corrected. Thank you so much for pointing out my misunderstanding that many people may be traveling and possibly will not be around, Chris and Rae. It was just an educated guess on my part based on previous knowledge of human tendancies, however, that is the usual ASNMU meeting time(Sundays at 7pm) and I expect that there will be ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/13 22:14 by SSCHAEDI
a board meeting. (Sorry about being cut off.) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/14 16:40 by THALLJR
Why shouldnt there be a board meeting. hell they only need three Reps to show up. Nick, All this concern over board vacencies is a real refresher coming from you. I seem to recall you turning down two opportunities to be on the board (when you werent on the North wind Board of directors) You weren't to worried about representation then. I admire your ability to hedge your "promises" by calling them goals. I also note the tendancies of all these candidates setting as goals things that are in the process of being accomplished anyways. best of luck to you all. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/15 21:24 by SSIMULA
hey terry can you define quorum for me please? *GRIN* ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/17 10:47 by NVIVIAN
What is the policy on a student running for more then one position during an election? i.e. President, Off-Campus, and Academic all at the same time? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/17 14:50 by SSIMULA
good point nick since i have had one person in class already petition for two positions. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/17 17:56 by RKAMMERE
Apparently there is some disagreement on that point. I will review the by-laws carefully to see what is said, but remember, until the man in question returns his petitions to me and is shown to meet all of the qualifications of a candidate, he isn't one. This may be a moot point. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/17 19:53 by RKAMMERE
Hey, no petitions have been picked up yet for either the College of Technology and Applied Sciences or the up-campus rep postion. I encourage someone to run for both slots. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/17 23:53 by NVIVIAN
Make the members of the ASJ smile ... send them another memo!! :) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/18 16:33 by SSCHAEDI
As for the question of "Can a person run for two positions?" It is my understanding, and logic that; no, a person can not. I would think that it would be common sence that you cannot. But when we have people trying to veto an impeachment I am not about to say that anyone has that sence, but I hope that I may be wrong. What would happen if the person was elected to two positions? Then what happens? It would be a big mess, and the person would have to campaign in two constituances. All of which would cause more work for everyone involved. I REALLY do not see the need to send anything to the ASJ unless someone pushes very hard for ASNMU to do so. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/18 17:33 by RKAMMERE
As I said, I am looking into the legalities of the issue, and will not make this decision based on anyone's opinion, regardless of how strongly they may feel about it. I will also be discussing this issue with the student in question, Nick. In the meantime, people are welcome to pick up petitions for whatever position they want to. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/18 20:47 by NVIVIAN
BTW, I'm not the student that has picked up petitions for more then one position, just to clarify any misconceptions. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/19 11:09 by CMANN
right, you're the goalie. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/19 13:35 by NVIVIAN
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>:::The following added 1998/03/19 13:46 by AKRIEGER
there is this thing called trust... and I don't have it with some of are so called officels. I feel some are there just to here them selves talk and others are there to get the resume going. I say screw all that I vote for the student. not someone who has to costantly say I am there for the student, if you are the student will know ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/19 14:57 by SSIMULA
well i agree aaron. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/20 11:45 by CMANN
Good point big-guy. I would have to agree with that wholeheartedly. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/20 17:16 by RKAMMERE
Well, all of the petitions that are coming in are in. Now to check them. I'll let you know ASAP who the candidates are. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/21 01:54 by EINGLES
A good race to all (ie, Nick, no mud slinging, or else. . .) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/21 10:29 by AKRIEGER
Good luck Nick and I hope you win. Jessica sorry about your luck but hey there is always next year. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/21 11:36 by RKAMMERE
What are you sorry for Jessica for? She's running. I'm sure it will be a good race between her and Becky. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/21 14:31 by JGURN
There is absolutely no reason to feel sorry for me. I have just as good as chance as anyone to run and win. I know what has been going on in ASNMU first hand and I know what can be done to fix it. I have a lot of really good ideas on how to the Board can improve. And they can be done, all of them. All it takes now is people willing to make a change and not just trying to build their resume. That is not directed toward anyone, that is just what most people view people in ASNMU as. Aaron, before you predict the results of the election that you attend the forum. Oh and there isn't a next year fo me. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/22 21:59 by NVIVIAN
What I want to know is ... what's with all of the mud slinging insinuations? :) Anyways, good luck to all and at the very least, I hope that you do your best in getting the word about ASNMU out to students. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/23 13:05 by EINGLES
getting the word out is certainly needed. lets hope we can do better than 8%. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/24 09:57 by RKAMMERE
As promised, here is the list of candidates. I am at home without my list, so hopefully I won't forget anybody. For president, the candidates are: Nick Vivian, Eric Ingles, and Jason Burton. Vice president: Rebecca Weigand and Jessica Gurn. College of Ed, Behavioral Sciences, and Human Services: Jon Barch. College of Business: Frank Kreiger. Down Campus rep: Nathan Leach and Matt Meyer. Off campus reps: Kelly Myers, Steve Simula and Torrie Eddy. Also, I believe that Anna Marie Cream is intending to run a write-in campaign for the position of Family Housing Rep. All other slots are without candidates, which means they are also open for industrious people who want to get their friends to write them in. The candidate forums are tomorrow in Cat Trax from 11:30-1:00 and in the UC atrium from 7:00-9:00. Come find out who these people are, and don't forget to vote next week. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/24 20:40 by EINGLES
anything new on the times and places to vote? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/24 21:07 by RKAMMERE
We are intending to stick with six locations that will be published in the North Wind this week, barring some major catastrophe in funding or computer wiring. The times vary. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/28 20:20 by EINGLES
nothing new in most of these the last couple of days. is the election fervor dying down? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/28 21:14 by APAVEGLI
why haven't mr. mann and mr. bergh returned my e-mail? Does either have communication skills that will help them converse with a lowly student such as I? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/28 21:19 by APAVEGLI
I would like to address my displeasure in regards to the attack mr. mann and mr. bergh made on Jason Burton after the platform conference. Sirs, if it was I that you had a problem with, please feel free to address me. Attacking Mr. Burton is bad politics. True leaders of the student body follow up on issues presented before them, such as the questions that I posed to mr. mann and mr. bergh. I am greatly appalled in the lack of response from the two gentlemen I have mentioned after my repeated e-mails to them. Sincerely, ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/29 14:14 by RKAMMERE
Please, for those of us who are coming in on a different page of this conversation, what attack are you referring to? I was at the candidate forum until everyone left, and I recall nothing like what you are mentioning. Enlighten me, please. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/29 15:56 by APAVEGLI
To speak of it briefly, Mr. Mann and Mr. Bergh approached Mr. Burton after the platform discussion to attack him because of my e mailings to them. First, Mr. Mann and Mr. Bergh did not mention who this person was to Mr. Burton . I suppose that the character the two government authorities were referring to was me, although they did not mention my name during their discussion with Mr. Burton. Why badger the canidate when it is I that they should be talking to? My e-mailings to them questioned their politics. Evidently, neither ASNMU member have good enough social skills to e-mail me back or they are complete snobs. My e mail to Mr. Mann simply stated was this: could he be a little less general with me when it comes to what is wrong with ASNMU. In the Northwind two papers ago (I believe), he generalized on what was wrong with the communication between ASNMU and students. It was full of rhetoric...just explaining that there was a lack of communication... but of on no means of solving the problem or how it came to be. My point is this, any person who becomes president better stick to a very short list of goals, with topics of conversation clear and to the point. Nick VIvian is close when it come to outlining, but likes to dilute his objectives in drawn out paragraphs. I was not at the platform stand, but from what i hear there were many good points brought up. Unfortunately, so many problems were addressed that there was nothing left to debate about. A good example of this is when it came to Mr. Burton to say his final thoughts. He didn't have an y because Vivian pulled an ASNMU presidential address speech by including everything...instead of outlining what he would do about a few issues. My e mail to Mr. Bergh was somewhat different than what I have stated above. Two papers ago I saw his wonderful article about his contributions to the student body with the 13 groups he has been involved with. He went on to explain in the article how getting involved in organizations helped him meet new people. Also, he considers his servic es greatly appreaciated to this university. Well excuse me! Joseph Bergh was so involved in his organizations in previous years that he failed to communicate with any person from his dorm household. It seems that he considers a person worthy only if they associate with him through one of his outstanding groups. I repeatedly asked for his input, but have received nothing! Both Mr. Mann and Mr. Bergh showed me that they are only concered about what their peers in the government and organizations have to say. I' m sorry, I thought being a member of ASNMU would make a person want to reach out to the students, to listen to and respond to their concerns. I guess I was wrong. Mr. Mann WAS right in a sense in the most recent Northwind in regards to why he isn't running for president, "the enormous amount of bullshit." So, ladies and gentlemen, whoever ends up getting the open seats in ASNMU better take issues one at a time. Plus, just because ASNMU has a n office in the U.C. doesn't mean that the students can only find them theere! Every ASNMU member should be mixing it up with the students , on and off campus, in order to gain support for the issues.. ahhh it is not a simple task. Neither is life. adam paveglio ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/29 17:38 by NVIVIAN
Although I'm not sure what to think about the majority of your commentary Adam, I do have to clarify a point or two. I am wondering how you got your factual information since you weren't at the candidate debate? Had you been there, you would have realized that upon closing statements, along with Mr. Ingles, I deferred allowing Mr. Burton to speak first . He elected not to, and Eric spoke first. Again, I asked Mr. Burton if he would like to say anything, and again he chose not to. So I did what any good candidate would do and talked to the points of my campaign. Whether that was an address that covered everything on this campus is debatable, but if you were there, you could have judged that for yourself. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/29 18:59 by BJAAKOLA
Mr. Paveglio, I think that if you intend to keep sending out flames toward Mr. Mann and Mr. Bergh, you should post the TRUE nature of your E-Mail correspondence so that everyone can see how harassing you have been toward both of these men. Who are you anyway? If you're so concerned, why don't you show up in the ASNMU office and address your concerns in person? -Bridgette ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/29 20:50 by NVIVIAN
Or better yet, maybe you should fill out an application ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/29 21:15 by APAVEGLI
This sounds so typical of a government that preaches of unification with the students, yet calls all the shots. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/29 21:27 by APAVEGLI
Nick, I looked upon your long speech in the Northwind and just want to say that you should catch your breath. Spewing out numerous solutions isn't exactly a turn on to the student body. Try short and sweet. Why do you think there is low voter turnout? Students are tired of all the BS. However, if you do all the things you promise, then obviously you are a better man than I.....so go ahead and start proving your worth... ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/29 21:29 by APAVEGLI
Bridgette, I do not know who you are, but if you are involved with ASNMU then it is safe to say that you haven't done a good job getting your name recognized. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 09:19 by RKAMMERE
If you were to look back a few posts, Mr. Paveglio, you would see that Bridgette was appointed vice president a few weeks ago. I have also read some of your messages to Mr. Bergh and Mr. Mann and have found them to be threatening and harrassing. As it looks to me, you are upset that Joseph wouldn't be your pal when he lived in your house, which is certainly no reason to threaten him. I am not sure which shots you feel student government is calling. This is not a competition between the government and the students. There are no shots to call. Though I welcome your opinion on what we are doing, I woudl respect it more if you were actually at the events you are complaining about. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 09:58 by APAVEGLI
To the previous addresser. How about leaving a name? Anyways, I'm glad to hear Joseph's input on all of this. I figured since he is involved in 13 different groups and organizations, he would have good communication skills. I guess this assumption is wrong. I still think ASNMU keeps themselves in the boundaries of their office, unwilling to go out into the student body for input. I was recently made aware of Mr. Vivian's goals and it sounds like the government might MINGLE with the student body. Wow! Who could ever imagine such a thing. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 10:04 by APAVEGLI
RMK, I wasn't looking for a personal relationship with Bergh, I was just looking for him to communicate with SOME of his housemates. You see, I'm not really fond of somebody stacking their resume without having great communication skills with the people. If you are in office you better open your arms to everyone. Neglect towards one individual give s the impression that the official does not care about the student. This impression will then be spread onto the entire student body and BAM!---everyone disrespects ASNMU. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 10:06 by APAVEGLI
I'm eagerly awaiting new leadership. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 11:25 by EINGLES
I think we need to hear Mr. Mann's and Mr. Bergh's side of things. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 11:56 by HKAPELLE
Yes, I think a well-rounded view would help right now...just a thought. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 12:44 by APAVEGLI
Yes, I would like a response! I have been trying to get responses for a week now. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 12:48 by BJAAKOLA
Adam, Obviously you are not very involved in anything, or you would realize how time-consuming having an actual life can be. As far as Mr. Bergh 'stacking' his resume, I am wondering, are you an employer? Someone who has nothing constructive to say but is very good at insult and insinuation does not make a very good boss. I bet you have no knowledge of that, however. The truth is that ASNMU can make as many resolutions and garner as much student opinion as possible, but it wil likely not change the mind of the administration. Sure, there have been some problems with student government this year, but the real issue lies in the fact that ASNMU should be given more input into University decisions. The Academic Senate has some of the greatest say, and they have done some great things recently, but having an ASNMU representative on committees is sometimes nothing more than student representation for the sake of it. This is where the issues lie, in my opinion. Do you even know enough about it to form an opinion? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 13:09 by APAVEGLI
Bridgette, First of all I would like your complete definition of "anything." Second, as far as I'm concerned, your alias name is not Bergh. Third, you really have to do better than that to convince me you arenot partia l. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 13:12 by APAVEGLI
Bridgette, I think administration would be more willing to support ASNMU if there was evidence of student support. With lousy treatment such as yours upon me it's no wonder ASNMU does not have the student suport it needs to be reckon with. Bridgette, nice listening skills... ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 13:15 by APAVEGLI
Bridgette, The academic senate has done some great things lately? Like what? Please be specific if you want to catch the attention of any student who wonders about the authority of the academic senate. Were they so minute that it is hard to remember? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 13:18 by APAVEGLI
Bridgette, The day I see Joe Bergh speak for himself is the day I become a happy man. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 13:19 by SSIMULA
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>:::The following added 1998/03/30 13:23 by APAVEGLI
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>:::The following added 1998/03/30 13:36 by EINGLES
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>:::The following added 1998/03/30 13:40 by EINGLES
and the same goes for the rest of you. if you want my opinion on anything, ask me? it's as simple as that, and always will be. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 13:55 by AKRIEGER
I do not look forward to this computer "issue" first I would like to ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 14:03 by AKRIEGER
Adam, you are an Idiot. why are you trying to make waves in an already stromy enviroment. The ASNMU government has been trying to pull thiershit together after the whole ryan thing, and I belive they are doing a good job. when you go out and insult people you are just trying to get a rise, not needed. all the people running are out there are not trying to screw us so let them do their job. Stop sending your stupid E-confs. if you have a problem with a certin individual that is affiliated with ASNMU then look for their office hours and come in. If you have a problem with me sending this out, then E-mail me and we can discuse it face to face. Maybe if you did have friends you would not need to hear your self talk so much...... ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 14:18 by APAVEGLI
For the record, i was not trying to make waves, but to merely get to have my questions answered. Mr. Bergh and Mr. Mann instead decided to flip up their noses to my questions, which I do not appreciate. I was hard on Mr. Vivian yet he ended up answering all of my questions. Now I give him respect. As for you,Aaron, your improper labeling of me makes me want to pity you. Haven't you learned that calling other people idiots is what children do? Come now, if you are going to detest my reasoning, please try and act like an adult. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 14:20 by APAVEGLI
Aaron, I consider your e conf to be stupid. But guess what? You are entitled! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 14:30 by APAVEGLI
Aaron, Gee, way to consider the issue I presented. Even though I do feel like throwing some defemation your way, I believe it solves nothing. Got that? Your babble solves nothing! You are trying to be the hero of the day! Well my friend, life is not that easy. Try opening up your ears for once, and listen. Has my questions been all one sided? Hec no! I encourage input from the individuals that I write. Sorry, I think that your scud was a dud. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 14:52 by APAVEGLI
I have decided to wait unil elections are over and votes are tabulated to say another word. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 15:37 by SSIMULA
im sorry eric we are friends so ill vote for ya. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 16:25 by EINGLES
steve, i don't wanna make you feel obligated, but thanx. Adam, what were your questions specifically? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 17:06 by APAVEGLI
Eric, I asked for Mr. Mann and Mr. Bergh to reply back to my e-mails...to share their views with me....In other words, I was keeping my conversation open ended. Is that to tough of a request? In no way did I intend to destroy their character. Of course others may think so, but can I help it if they do not reply? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 17:06 by AWIESMAN
I just lovehearing someone follow up on their own posts ad-infinitum. Obviously young Adam has too much to say to give anyone else a chance to follow up? Or maybe just likes seeing his own flames in print. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 17:52 by APAVEGLI
Jimmy, I would love to hear what anyone has to say besides bashing me. Sounds like you have haven't said jack about your actual opinion. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 18:51 by AWIESMAN
I'm not bashing you. you're bashing my friends, and I'm telling you to cut it out. If you have an opinion, get involved. run for office, join a committee, be CONSTRUCTIVE. Know the issues, and have an opinion. "you were rude to my buddy, where do you get off" is not a constructive opinion. Neither is "you didn't pay ME enough attention, so how dare you put student involvement on your resume`". You want us to consider you a serious player, and listen to your opinions, but you havn't given us any reason to think you have any worth listening to. read back through these files, and find someone who has the archived records. We NEVER take someone seriously when they start a post abusively, and we NEVER have. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 18:59 by SSIMULA
and you never should period. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 22:01 by MMETTNER
Well I'd like to thank everyone for ruining the last 30k of space. I mean lets see how should I start. Adam, are there multiple people using your account or do you just sparatically get ideas throughout the day and continue to post them. You've posted three, four times in a row all with different thoughts, try one post with the thoughts combined into an intelligent question. Ok and before you get all defensive and start harrasing me. I'm simply trying to make this conf a more constructive one. Yet the last twenty posts have been nothing but, he said this, he said that, he said this, he said that. Lets attempt to stop kicking a dead horse. I mean we all know ASNMU has had a rough year. We also all know that obviously Adam, and a few others have some sort of rocky history. I guess what I"m really trying to say is, stop letting your personnal life interfere with the difference these people are trying to make. That is just my opinion so attack it all you want. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/30 23:31 by APAVEGLI
good luck everyone, I have decided not to say another word. I have tried to find a common ground, but have been ill treated. Your practices will be noted in the back of my head when it comes to supporting student government. In the future, please try and work things out with the next student instead of pounding him into a pulp. Y'know, I actually thought I was talking to a post when it came to getting interprable information back. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 00:39 by NVIVIAN
Steve, I'm disappointed at the thought of choosing friendship over the best interests of the student body. But what ever you decide, I hope people at least realize the importance of ASNMU and get out and vote! -- Nick Vivian ASNMU Presidential Hopeful ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 07:34 by RKAMMERE
Hey, whatever your opinions are, jsut make sure that you express them today. If nothing else, vote on the referendum issues, as it is your money that you are deciding on. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 11:14 by AKRIEGER
Adam Before this gets out of hand, I just wanted to say I think you should back off of this whole ASNMU kick of yours, if you wanted to make a difference then you should have joined if you want your voice to be heard vote, and if you want to go around bugging people go somewhere eles, Man some people. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 11:14 by CMANN
Well, I haven't read this since the 27th, so I'm a little behind the power curve here. First off let me start by saying this: I will not respond to any personal attacks on myself or my Treasurer. I stand by the job Joseph has done and he has my full support. When a student has a question regarding issues I am more than willing to help. This has been, and will continue to be my policy. In response to why I addressed Mr. Burton with my concerns: The email that I recieved was from someone that I was not familiar with, and the sender identified himself as a 'campaign manager' of Mr. Burton's. I felt that he (Mr. Burton) should be aware of the fact that people were speaking on his behalf. If I have not answered these questions to one's satisfaction, please restate any unanswered parts, and I will respond at my earliest opportunity. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 11:54 by EINGLES
Well, the election comes down to this. One candidate represents what's right for the administration, one represents what's right for the students. But, Nick, It's the students who are voting. Nick, you have already conceded defeat in the computer issue. 2000 is still a year and a half away, we students have lost nothing yet. We still have time to divert the Board of Control from this path of self interest. We as students, all 8000 of us, must make our voices heard. It's our university, lets take an active control over how it is run. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 12:46 by FKRIEGER
Now that is what I wanted to hear! Set, point, match on the computer issue. I am quite sure that the students will not answer yes to the computer question, and the governing board must respect and devote as much enery that is needed to stop it in that case. I do not work for Baily in the summertime, so I will make waves. Get ready for a fight about the computers Next-President-to-Be. This one issue is going to make or break you. And i'll be right there, pushing it to the agenda, primero ono. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 12:54 by BJAAKOLA
Actually Eric, we WILL have the computer requirement. To think that the administration will give in to the student opinion is kind of pointless. I'm not necessarily saying anything bad about the admin here, but Northern is kind of a sinking ship right now and the computer thing will make the school look good professionally and to prospective students' parents. Barring some kind of huge exodus of the student body in protest of the computer issue, it is going to become policy. Perhaps I'm too much of a believer in physical protest to put faith in talking, but I feel the only way to get our opinion across is to SHOW it. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 14:32 by FKRIEGER
Ms. Vice-President is "All over that"!! I know that Bridget and I don't see eye to eye 95% of the time, but I am 100% behind the SHOWING our dislike. Northern needs a good demostration. (Of for that matter, a bad one...) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 14:37 by AKRIEGER
with the help of radio X lead by Bridget, we the student body will storm Cohodas and crush the powers that be. come students come all grab your binders, pencils (#2 of course), and book bags, we will pelt the building with eveything we have till the students shall rule the day. a vast waste land of scorched earth will remain and we will rebuild a new civilazation,(one where if you turn 35 will ride a caresel and be shot by lasers into oblivan "Run Logan Run") anyhow good luck everyone and I hope I win. oh by the way in the trunk of baily's car is both Jimmy Hoffa and JFK's brain. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 14:53 by SSIMULA
Does anyone have any thoughts on the revelation in last week's northwind that the university gave credit card companies access to all students' addresses? Is it just me or does the NMU administration practice a constant game of "lets see what we can do behind students backs?" If NMU expects enrollment to increase with the poor attitude they have shown towards students lately, they are in for a big suprise. As far as Mr.Vivian goes, it is no secret that you will be elected so don't worry nick ill support ya, eric is a friend but my vote won't be decisive. *s* ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 15:03 by PMILI
if nmu wants to look better professionally they'll stop admitting people with negative ACT scores (if you know what I mean) the computer issue just makes them look like a bunch of idiots who have no clue about the actual economic status most of their students are in. Then again if ASNMU is so blind to the whole issue of how the student body REALLY feels, then who can expect the administration to care either. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 15:18 by BJAAKOLA
Hold up there, let's not drag Radio X into this, Aaron. My actions inciting a riot are independently my own, although I hope that my amigos and amigas would join with us in expressing our extreme displeasure about the computer issue. All kidding aside, is anyone really up for a demonstration? I'll lead if you guys will walk the walk with me. What the hell do I care if I get arrested-I'm graduating! You name the time and the starting place, and I'll be there. If we are for us, who can be against us? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 16:11 by EINGLES
Someone who signed my petition wanted to hold a sit in at the LRC. Steve, I wrote to Rep. Stupak as well as to the SSA and have heard nothing yet. I did hear from Miss Myres that she thought it was legal. But there is something we can do. We can go out with a letter saying "Iwant my name off the list" and send it to First USA with the names and signatures of all who want to sign it. It will take only as much time as the petitions took, plus there should be more ppl sending them around. I am totally willing to organize this. Any other ideas? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 17:24 by NVIVIAN
First of all, I resent being accused of being the "Administration's Little Buddy". If you did not understand my position at the debate Eric, I believe it involved sitting down and working with everyone involved rather then lynching top university officials and burning down Cohodas. Second, it is important that you get your facts straight about the credit card issue. The contract with First USA involves only names of faculty, alumni, and friends. It does not involve the names or addresses of students. Students names are given unintenionally in a couple of other ways. There is a directory that publishes all of our names and addresses and sell s them to independent companies. Additionally, the FEDs compile a list of anybody who applies for Financial Aid and sells it to other interested parties. It is not a crime. So before anyone goes off the deep end here, please, consult some sources that may actually have the correct facts. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 17:29 by EINGLES
what sources did you consult? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 17:32 by EINGLES
nick, i am not saying you are the "administrations little buddy." All I said was you seemed to be giving up and/or doing what they feel is best with out consulting students. How many students have you talked to who said they are all for the TLC??? The hundreds I have talked to are against it. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 18:01 by AWIESMAN
yeah, I am pissed about the credit card thing. I actually got a first-usa card during that mailing. worst card I've ever had. highest fees, smallest wiggle-room, and highest interest. I recently (actually before I heard about what the U had done) cut up the card and closed my account. after my experiences, I would strongly reccomend that other students who picked up one of these cards do the same. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 20:52 by RKAMMERE
Hey, just for a momentary update on the election thus far, I think voter turnout has been good, especially given the low number we are trying to beat. I've met several conference people at the polls, and I am glad to see that you guys are showing up to say officially what you have said on here. I'll let you know the results as soon as I can. If you haven't voted yet, you still have another chance tomorrow. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/03/31 22:00 by NVIVIAN
My information came in part from the Dean of Students Office. And for your information, I have not given up on the TLC initiative. The truth is, the administration can do whatever it would like to do. i.e. Flat Rate Tuition. However, rather then alienate ourselves anymore than we already have been, we should seek to sit down, get the actual facts, consult the actual people involved, and work toward a proper solution. And by the way, I have a whole law class that realizes the value of computers and wouldn't mind the program being instituted here. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 11:43 by AKRIEGER
hey let me say this, I have been getting a lot of feed back from students on campus about asnmu and they have either said who, what, why. I hope our new president as well as their fellow reps will answer this for them. it is not just putting letters in the northwind or shaking hands. it is about going the extra mile and giving somthing to the students like the things they want, but also giving them the things they don't want like lap tops, credit card companies and such. and Rhea what was up with that question on the ballot about the lap tops am I the only one who noticed that it seemed a little loaded?? who wrote it ..... could it be the administration. why does the man keep us down, as Bridget said'Burn them out and let the new order begin, so it is writen in the book of rage' We must not let them have an inch because then they will take a mile. already RA's peer through windows looking for the "happenings" already they sell us to people we don't know. next thing they will do is take our land and rape our mothers I will no longer stand for this. and I hope none of you will either. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 11:51 by APAVEGLI
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>:::The following added 1998/04/01 12:01 by SSIMULA
If the newly elected members of ASNMU do not speak for the students they will not be doing their job. If the students vote down the comp proposal then we should try our best to get the issue defeated otherwise we will not be representing their interests. But we should also be informed Mr.Vivian gave me a little background info on the credit card issue i promise in the future not to jump the gun and i apologize for that. I am not saying the university is right im saying we should look into issues more deeply before making conclusions and I include myself in this. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 12:26 by RKAMMERE
I wrote that question, Aaron, and then asked the governing board to approve the wording of it. I tried to put in both the pros and cons, so that it wouldn't be loaded. What part did you object to? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 13:03 by EINGLES
Yes, the administration can do what they want to. But they are elected as well. In fact, 2 seats on the B of C are up this November. If any students want to run for Board of Control, you have my support. I propose we use their election to show them who's boss. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 14:05 by FKRIEGER
Now there is a good idea! Why not put a student forward for that position? What's the worst that can happen? That person loses is all. I think the Governing Board SHOULD forward a student for that position. Now whom should they endorce....I wonder.... ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 15:29 by CMANN
Ryan Weidner??? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 16:22 by SSIMULA
chris mann ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 17:00 by NVIVIAN
FYI, the Board of Control Positions are filled by a Governer's Appointment not an election. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 17:39 by EINGLES
aren't we a pulbic university? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 17:39 by EINGLES
public even ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/01 20:38 by ACSL000
Under article VIII of the Michigan constitution, the UMich "Regents" the MSU Board of Trustees and the Wayne State Board of Governors are popularly elected, with vacancies filled by the governor Other institutions of higher education have boards of control whose members are appointed by the governor. See http://info.migov.state.mi.us/constitution/viii.html for the details. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/02 06:44 by KMARCOTT
Congratulations to all the winners (Nick, Becky, and others I'm not yet aware of)!!! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/02 09:49 by ASNMU
The election results are as follows: All referendum items were continued, and all increases were approved. The computer question was answered with refusal of support, 489-171. If you have any questions, contact the ASNMU office. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/02 11:09 by EINGLES
How many votes for up-campus rep did John Trent recieve? It's nice that I'm on the gov. board, but the fact of the matter is I did not win. At most, I tied. My suite-mate voted for Trent, as did I. What's going on here? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/02 12:24 by MZANIN
I think there should be a re-vote on the referendum and the $ going to ASNMU and other organizations. I don't think the questions were worded fairly. I am asking the newly elected officials of ASNMU to give the students (even the 172 who voted against) another opportunity to vote. Thanks. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/02 14:03 by PMUNSON
Phew!! It's been awhile since I've read the posts. I'm glad to see that we're back to bashing people for posting their views. I don't agree with Mr. Paveglio, but that is what he feels, and we should all leave it at that. I know what an important tool this conf is to ASNMU and I hope that the new board(congratulations by the way) takes some of the ideas that are written on this conf seriously. I have a feeling that there are a lot more people that read this conf, that don't post to it simply because they are affraid of being bashed publicly. Mr. Hall is gone(yahoo- just my personal feeling) and I would hope so are his tactics of dissecting everyone that posts on this conf. Nick, your goal of reformation of student gov't has been accomplished. With the exception of Frank, it is new board. I know you won't segregate people for having opposite views like certain past presidents and their chiefs of staff did. To the past board of ASNMU. I'm very glad that I had a chance to work with all of you. You guys really came together at the end, and I hope that your reputation on this campus hasn't been hampered by the actions of Ryan. Believe it or not, ASNMU can work for the whole student body with the proper leadership. Let's hope that this board can do it. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/02 14:45 by SSIMULA
I would personally like to thank everyone for voting me in and take this time to congratulate Nick and Becky for winning the elections i am quite confident that they will turn ASNMU into an efficiently run organization. And as far as the results of the computer question i rest my case the students have spoken and we should all speak for them on this issue now thanks. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/02 16:08 by EINGLES
When can a "town hall" style meeting be arrainged? I feel that would be the most efficient way. Oh, and when do we all get inagurated? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/02 16:09 by RKAMMERE
Due to an error in our direction of the calculation of the votes on both the increase for ASNMU and the SFC, the elections committee has asked for a retabulation. The new results take into account our original intent, which was to assume that those who voted not to continue allocation for an organization would also vote not to increase the allocation for that organization. Given that information, the new results are as follows: ASNMU retains it's original allocation, but does not receive an increase. The SFC gets both the original allocation and an increase.
For number totals, please contact me. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/02 20:04 by DAVIMART
letme know ho wthis tie thing is supposed to be resolved rae. Iam kind of in favor of wrestling for it ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 01:30 by KMYERS
*G* sheesh, you get busy for a couple of months and have three hours of reading to do when you finally catch up on your time. Sorry, a sidetrack there. Congratulations, Nick, Becky, Tori, Steve, Eric, Anna, and the rest of you who won....sorry i'm not sure of who ya are. i hope to do well this next year in ASNMU and am looking forward to serving the students. and, this is a promise...i will talk to people...my phone lines are open and my email is checked daily. thanks. Kelly. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 08:22 by MZANIN
RMK: Thanks for answering my question and informing me of the retabulation. This is a perfect example of how the "new" ASNMU has put the interests of the students first. Thanks to whoever got it done, Mandie ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 10:20 by DOWILKIE
All referenda issues were approved, and all increases passed. Gosh, next thing you know, Congress'll vote themselves a raise. I mean, heck--there must be 500 people *involved* in the organizations that wanted more money--and if their leaders all urged them to vote "yes" (like mine did), then why the surprise? It's self-interest and self-preservation, after all. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 10:41 by DAVIMART
i am sure their are more then a mere five hundred people involved. listening to radio x there are more then five hundred. going to at least one movie during a semester theres more than 500 theres more then 500 invloved in the various activities that we have here at nmu if your not in one your bound to take advantage of anotherwith out the funding we would have none of the activities ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 11:30 by SSCHAEDI
Barring appeals the elections are done with great results. After two years on the board I am ready to pass on the duties. Congratulations to all of the income board members. I hope that what the current board has done will help you to continue to improve ASNMU. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 12:44 by MZANIN
DOWILKIE, Actually there was a retabulation and all the increases didn't pass after all. You should have looked through yesterday's postings on e-conf before you wrote that. Asnmu didn't get and increase. They made the correction and now the election results are fair. You can find alot of answers to your questions on e-conf if you read it. Don't be so mad, no one is trying to scam you. Thanks. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 13:15 by EINGLES
but no one is answering my question. What happened to Mr. John Trent? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 14:04 by RKAMMERE
I have no record of write-ins for John Trent. Are you sure that he was written in on the back of the scan-tron sheet, not the ballot questionnaire? Also, the finla result of the nursing college tie is that, as the other two write-ins ahve declined the position, it goes to Dave Martindale. Congratulations. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 14:58 by EINGLES
there should be a record of a write in for John Trent, I wrote him in! So did one other person. I cannot speak for him, but I know I wrote it on the back of the scan-tron sheet. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/03 20:23 by APAVEGLI
To Mr. Mann, I apologize for my gross language towards you. In the future I will watch my language. However, I yould have appreciated it if you had not approached Mr. Burton. Even if you did not know my name a simple reply message stating "excuse me sir, how may I address you?" would have been sufficient. I realize that when you became president it was an akward situation and you did the best that you could. Hell, you're human! I wish you the best of luck1 Sincerely,
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>:::The following added 1998/04/06 13:20 by FKRIEGER
Elections-Conf, the Jerry Springer e-conf. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/06 15:13 by EINGLES
/me picks up a chair and whips it at the smuglittle bespeckled host.
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>:::The following added 1998/04/06 17:38 by DAVIMART
thank you rae and thank you all who voted for me. oh wait it was just me never mind. for the record i promise to be a kind and benevolent representative. thank you and garcia you later ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/06 22:55 by AKRIEGER
just for the record, Jerry Springer was fired for writing a bad check to a hooker ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/07 16:18 by DAVIMART
really wow bet taht was an interesting one to take to court. glad my check cleared ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/07 19:47 by HKAPELLE
(Heather hangs her head in her hands, and groans) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/08 16:42 by EINGLES
jerry finishes a close second in embarrasing court cases to . . .Marv Albert! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/08 21:06 by DCHERRET
*sitting back quietly, with hands covering forehead, shakes head and sobs quiety.* ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/08 21:09 by EINGLES
Next year, instead of sobbing, run. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/08 21:38 by DAVIMART
if you do run though dan do wear a sports bra ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/09 12:53 by DCHERRET
I might not be around next year, and BTW David, why would you consider me of wearing a Sports Bra? Is this your (sick) fantasy, picturing men wearing sports bras? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/09 13:02 by SSCHAEDI
Since the elections are almost at an official close I am wondering why I have been reading some of the things that I have been on here. Could we be a little more productive and maybe talk about the election process ie. how it could be better, what was good, etc. Should there be polling stations in the PEIF and Jacobetti(?) next year or would the resourses be better used in other places? Just some thoughts. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/09 13:32 by RKAMMERE
The elections are over. The new officers will be sworn in on Sunday.
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>:::The following added 1998/04/09 13:41 by EINGLES
how 'bout a referendum concerning the posibility of fixing the leaky ceiling in front of Conf room A on the first floor of the UC. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/09 14:11 by FKRIEGER
How about a referendum on changing the title from Representives to Ministers... ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/09 15:03 by RKAMMERE
A) Call a janitor. B) I don't want to be a minister. I want to be an undersecretary. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/09 15:24 by SSIMULA
would that make nick the prime minister? *GRIN* ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/09 16:05 by DAVIMART
several things first dan just joking I understand you have a little prob thats all sorry I couldnt resist. b I think we should be referred to as the knight that say NNNNNNEEE. and 3rd can I be your undersecretary rae :) yes btw sara peif and jacobettie polling sites would be nice. you mena there werent any this year imagine how many more votes I would have garnered ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/09 17:17 by DCHERRET
um, David, what problem, and didn't you know that I was Kidding as well also? also the drawer here describes "talk about your candidates"....by now it should have been read "talk about whom you have elected" like are they doing a good job or what have you? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/10 10:27 by RKAMMERE
Actually there were polling stations in both the PEIF and Jacobetti. I believe she was asking if you all thought they were worthwhile. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/10 10:37 by DAVIMART
oh ok yes of course their worthwhile rae ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/10 11:01 by SSCHAEDI
Yes, that was the question. Should we keep them? I heard that they were not as busy as other places, but any votes that we got because those places were available makes it worth it to have polls there again. I just wanted to know what students thought. As far as I know, there has not been a polling station in the PEIF before and it was in response to my constituants that it was added. I do not know the history of there being a place in Jacobetti. If ASNMU could get a better sense as to what would be the best hours and placement for polls I think that it would make the election process that much better and easier. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/10 13:19 by EINGLES
Could the polling stations be more out in the open? The info desk in the uc gets probably the least traffic, certainly less than the den, but that could have been fixed with a few signs, "Vote >>>>>>> this way>>>>" ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/10 19:04 by AKRIEGER
Hey I want to be known as the crusader for justice. I am Aaron Krieger Farkas independent prosecuter for justice. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/15 08:27 by BJAAKOLA
Farkas, you need to specify. Is it crusader or is it prosecutor? You cannot be both! ;) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/15 11:26 by AKRIEGER
What are you talking about Bridget, look at the spanish inquisition, they were crusaders who prosocuted. I am doing the same thing, trial by fire. I just don't have one of those cool little red out fits. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/15 12:09 by EINGLES
actually, in terms of the Spanish Inquisition it would be more acurate to say they were Crusaders who persecuted. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/15 13:09 by AKRIEGER
well..... maybe ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/15 15:49 by DAVIMART
the inquisition what a show will you confess no no no no ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/15 17:09 by AWIESMAN
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/15 17:53 by FKRIEGER
Poke him with the fluffy pillow! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/15 18:04 by AWIESMAN
I've ALWAYS believed that ASNMU was distantly affiliated with the Ministry of Funny Walks. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/24 06:06 by KMYERS
do i even want to know, Andrew? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/24 18:01 by AWIESMAN
yes you do. but i'm not tellin. HA HA HA (evil laughter) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/27 11:06 by EINGLES
As a rep of ASNMU, I would like to take this time to disavow any and all afiliation with the funny-walk people. We are, and shall remain what we have been for some time, an affiliation of the Chilean labor party!! (I don't know why I used !! after that seemingly uninteresting statement, I just did. And as grand Duke of Chile, I can if I please, so there) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/28 12:29 by EINGLES
I hearby disavow my previous affiliation with the Chilean Labor Party. I would like to announce my new alliegience to an environmentalist group called "Natural Causes." We were responsible for the death of Pol Pot, don't ask me why we got involved, but I just read in Newsweek that "he died of Natural Causes." so I guess we did it. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/04/28 12:43 by AKRIEGER
I would like to throw my suport behind Nature Causes, as long as they stay a way from me and Wyane Newton. I would also like to give a hand to all the people who made it posible for me to be here today, you like me you realy like me ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/06/01 11:44 by EINGLES
In the upcomming Fenton School Board elections, vote for Ann B. Ingles. In her third term she hopes to continue to raise some hell and bring the old boys system of running the scools and the city crashing down and replace it with. . .democracy. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/06/03 09:33 by SSIMULA
ill make sure to register as a fenton citizen and vote for her eric by the way jerry brown won as mayor of oakland yes! an independant gets in i love it down with party politics! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/06/09 14:26 by FKRIEGER
Northern now has a third choice in College politics, The College Libertarians are now a registered NMU organization. So come this Fall if you are intrested let me know or go to http://longyear.acs.nmu.edu/~fkrieger/home.htm to get the lowdown. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/06/09 18:31 by EINGLES
As a card-carrying LP member, I'm in.
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>:::The following added 1998/07/29 01:07 by FKRIEGER
Ya, that good for 'nutin Frank Krieger...all he does is post late at night to the Conf. drawers..... I sez, lets throw money at him!!!!Like the Democ....opps. Union Duck faces? ;) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/07/30 15:49 by SSIMULA
DAMN LIBERATARIANS! QUIT TRYIN TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD! *grin* ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/07/30 20:39 by EINGLES
you do not know the power of the LP side! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/07/31 10:15 by SSIMULA
Is that Darth Vader or Eric? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/07/31 12:26 by FKRIEGER
You didn't know? Eric is now the puppet master.....Darth Vador has nothing on him...:) ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/07/31 12:31 by NVIVIAN
Oh now, there's been another puppetmaster sighting? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/07/31 14:56 by EINGLES
*evil grin* ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/04 11:10 by CMANN
go vote. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/04 23:26 by FKRIEGER
I did. Cast my spoiler votes for the year. God I hate the new Primary System...Not only do the voters now foot the bill, it allows people to vote off party and try to pull out the likely challengers... I vote Democrat, don't like Fieger, so vote Ross, in effect attempting to block a favorable prospect from the ballot this Fall. I wonder, does ANYONE vote for their party? Or do we all try that? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/05 08:13 by KMARCOTT
I vote for my party, but I'm too honest not to. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/05 13:38 by NVIVIAN
All I have to say is.... Gary Artinian and Bob Carr. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/05 15:09 by APAVEGLI
I voted Engler---although he doesn't care a rat's ass about education...I'm sure this term he will because of his daughters... ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/05 17:51 by AWIESMAN
no, he'll just send them to one of those fancy private schools that ninety nine percent of us will NEVER be able to afford. and then he'll tell everyone how that's gonna show the triumph of the 'voucher' system. Keep free enterprise OUT of the public schools. it's bad enough the way it is, with the taxpayers in poor districts being unable to foot the bill for good schools. A profit driven corporation would never build a school where none of the population could pay their rates. The poor will just end up going without schooling, or end up stuck in a public schools system that's been stripped of everything by assholes like Engler. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/06 12:47 by APAVEGLI
I think that the poor districts can't afford good education because the big industry has left to a better setting--where they will get a tax break or whatnot. What the hell can Engler do about that? Can he send out a proclamation that there must be urban renewel in the form of big companies...... I know that in Detroit Mayor Archer is trying to get thingsgoin again with the casinos---and with Illich building the new stadium (with a partial funding by taxes---hell, there's the problem---we endorsing athletes before OUR childrens' education. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/06 17:12 by RWICKSTR
I think it's more the kid's fault than the school's or the system's. If a kid wants to learn and succeed, he/she will. If a kid's home is failing to instruct a kid in how important personal responsibility in learning and life is, that kid is being set up for failure. Why do people often blame everything besides the one who has the greatest stake in the matter? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/07 12:40 by EINGLES
Engler got elected four years ago by knocking up his wife, he got elected 8 years ago by getting married. he does all these things to avoid opponants saying he's a big-fat dork. I think he has a vendetta against schools because his head got flushed down the toilet too ofter in middle school ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/07 15:39 by HKAPELLE
But...if a kid is "set up" for failure by his/her home life or living conditions, is that the kid's fault? Plus, if inner city schools (or any school, for that matter) is not allocated appropriate funds, the students will not be able to compete well with those students who go to schools that can afford new/newer books and the like. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/08/08 13:11 by RWICKSTR
I don't have any numbers in front of me, so what follows could be bunk. I'd bet that inner-city schools get an equal portion, per pupil or student, as other smaller schools - if not more. If kids are being set up for failure at home, the problem - and solution - is inside the home, not the schools. Pouring tons of money into a student that has no interest in learning won't remediate the problem. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/13 14:22 by PMUNSON
Hey Frank! I was just wondering if the College of Librarians are endorsing any candidate for Michigan's Governatorial race. I haven't heard of any librarians running, so I thought you guys would endorse someone. I have heard Nik's commercial saying "It Fieger time!", and was hoping to hear your voice in the near future. Let me know, I'm very interested in what everyone thinks about our candidates. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/13 16:49 by EINGLES
I am running as a write in candidate. INGLES FOR GOV!!!!! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/13 19:36 by DCHERRET
dream on, boy. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/13 19:54 by SSIMULA
He couldnt be any worse than feiger or engler dan on the other hand.. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/14 11:55 by DCHERRET
uuuhhhh???? ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/14 21:18 by EINGLES
i WILL do a much better job than jonny scissor hands and be more serious than geoffry. I can also appoint Frank Krieger to the NMU Board of Control, along with either Steve Simula or Dave Martindale. We CAN make some serious changes in Michigan.
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>:::The following added 1998/10/15 15:52 by SSIMULA
Actually im sorry but im votin for frank eric. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/16 00:30 by FKRIEGER
The Libertarians are indeed not running a canidate for Gov. It is important to Libertarians to obtain Major Party status in Michigan, this can only be done if the Libertarian Party gets 5% of the popular votes in the Gov. and Sec. of State race. So the Libertarian Party of Michigan has decided to not run or indorce any person for these positions. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/16 12:54 by SSIMULA
Does anyone know if any other independants are runnin for governor?
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>:::The following added 1998/10/22 22:06 by DCHERRET
I have this odd feeling that once Proposal B is passed with a majority of "NOs" and that Fieger gets elected for Governor, why is it that the feeling of once Fieger steps into his first day in office he goes and overturns the Assisted Suicide proposal and makes it into a law? In other words, he would knock out the "NOs" vote and make it into an overall "YES".....remember that when you all go and cast your vote for Michigan's next Governor, that you might be putting in Dr. Kervorkian's lawyer in the office seat. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/22 22:07 by DCHERRET
and if you vote for Engler for his 3rd? term, we're still screwed. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/23 10:23 by AKRIEGER
that is so true so lets vote for the lesser of two evils ... lets vote for the devil him self, hell at least we know where we stand with him. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/10/23 10:24 by EINGLES
Citizens like Dan Cherrette are concerned with the direction their state is going. That's why you should cast your write-in vote for Eric Ingles this election day. Ingles for governor, Screw those two-party bastards! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/11/03 09:27 by KMARCOTT
There is among you the man who is not bound by party lines. You vote according to your common sense and your calm judgement after hearing each party set forth its program. To you I say that the strength of this independent thought is the great contribution of the American political system. - Franklin D. Roosevelt *** VOTE IN TODAY'S ELECTIONS *** For information on your local elections and candidates see: http://www.webwhiteblue.org/ http://www.vote-smart.org/
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>:::The following added 1998/11/03 21:10 by DCHERRET
John Engler won....big whoop. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/11/04 00:13 by EINGLES
four more years of that freakin whino. thgat's it, california here i cum ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/11/04 10:19 by SSIMULA
Jesse Jesse Jesse ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/11/04 17:23 by EINGLES
well, now that I've lost the michigan gubenatorial race, i must follow with my tradition. You see, I once ran for secretary of West Hall; I lost. So I ran for VP of NAE; I lost, so I ran for President of ASNMU; I lost, so I ran for Governor of Michigan; I lost (but it was soooo close, I think I'll demand a recount). Now, I must seek higher office, so I shall declare myself a candidate for the presidency of France. Ingles pour le Presidente
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>:::The following added 1998/11/19 20:00 by KMYERS
tu est tres.....bete. ton bete! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1998/11/20 00:18 by EINGLES
Zut Alors! Kellie parles francais! Now we have to change all of our codes, or the revolution will be lost! ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1999/02/04 01:28 by EINGLES
I think I'll challenge Judi Bailey this year for the presidency, I'm sure i could whip her ass. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1999/04/11 18:40 by APAVEGLI
I really didn't appreaciate the no option of a write in for the election on line. Please do so next election. Thanks. ===============================================================================
>:::The following added 1999/09/01 18:22 by DAVIMART
whens elections again i kina like that weiner guy hes got neat hair ===============================================================================
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